Chinese Doctors: We’ve Got Falun Gong in Stock

Transcripts from recordings of conversations with Mainland Chinese Doctors

Perhaps no evidence of the killings described herein is greater than the admissions of physicians in China’s own hospitals. The following are transcripts from conversations recorded during the Kilgour-Matas investigation by undercover researchers. 

June 8, 2006: Mishan City Detention Center, Heilongjiang province

M: Do you have Falun Gong [organ] suppliers? …
Mr. Li: We used to have, yes.
M: … what about now?
Mr. Li: … Yes.


M: Can we come to select, or you provide directly to us?
Mr. Li: We provide them to you.
M: What about the price?
Mr. Li: We discuss after you come.


M: How many [Falun Gong suppliers] under age 40 do you have?
Mr. Li: Quite a few.


M: Are they male or female?
Mr. Li: Male


M: Now, for … the male Falun Gong [prisoners], how many of them do you have?
Mr. Li: Seven, eight, we have [at least] five, six now.
M: Are they from countryside or from the city?
Mr. Li: Countryside.

March 16, 2006: Shanghai Jiaotong University Hospital’s Liver Transplant Center

M: I want to know how long [the patients] have to wait [for a liver transplant].
Dr. Dai: The supply of organs we have, we have every day. We do them every day.
M: We want fresh, alive ones.
Dr. Dai: They are all alive, all alive…
M: How many [liver transplants] have you done?
Dr. Dai: We have done 400 to 500 cases… Your major job is to come, prepare the money, enough money, and come.
M: How much is it?
Dr. Dai: If everything goes smoothly, it’s about RMB 150,000… RMB 200,000.
M: How long do I have to wait?
Dr. Dai: I need to check your blood type… If you come today, I may do it for you within one week.
M: I heard some come from those who practice Falun Gong, those who are very healthy.
Dr. Dai: Yes, we have. I can’t talk clearly to you over the phone.
M: If you can find me this type, I am coming very soon.
Dr. Dai: It’s ok. Please come.
M: … What is your last name?…
Dr. Dai: I’m Doctor Dai.

March 14, 2006: Zhengzhou Medical University Organ Transplant Centre in Henan Province
Dr. Wang: … For sure, [the organ] is healthy… If it’s not healthy, we won’t take it.
M: I’ve heard that those kidneys from Falun Gong practitioners are better. Do you have them?
Wang: Yes, yes, we pick all young and healthy kidneys…
M: That is the kind that practices this type of [Falun] Gong.
Wang: For this, you could rest assured. Sorry I can’t tell you much on the phone.
M: Do you get [them] out of town?
Wang: … We have local ones and out-of-town ones.
M: What is your last name?
Wang: Wang.